Can Muslims be Good Americans?

Islam in America

Two presidents, one Republican and this guy we have currently in the White House have both called Islam a religion of peace; but on the contrary history and today’s news reports say otherwise…

Islam is NOT a religion of peace; and furthermore, it is not even a religion!


Ever since 9/11, Muslim leaders who have had access to the national media have told us that Islam is a religion of peace and that violence does not represent the essence of Muhammad’s message or religion.

Even former President Bush (a conservative Republican), Britain’s former Prime Minister Blair, and now Obama have ALL repeated this same assertion, saying that Islam has been “hijacked” by a few violent fanatics.

These statements just do not line up with the empirical and observable facts of history, and nor do they line up with what we can see on the evening news!

In fact history demonstrates that beyond any doubt that Islam at its very founding was filled with violence—in the life of Muhammad himself, and also in the Quran.

First of all, Islam is NOT a religion, but it is a political ideology that does not tolerate descent and nor does it tolerate other faiths and beliefs that do not agree with the worldview as they want it to be… which is under Sharia Law!

What follows (see below) is an interesting article that asks the question… “Can Muslims be good Americans?

In my opinion, the same logic applies to the above question, as I believe would also apply to the question as to whether you can be a born-again Christian and at the same time worship and pray to a demon god called Allah, as does Obama?

Not according to what I read in my Bible you can’t, because we are told to forsake the former pagan lifestyle and no longer are we to have fellowship with darkness.

The Good News is as long as they aren’t pushing up daisies everyone, even Muslims, still has an equal chance to be saved, and born-again; and I am sure that is both God’s desire and His plan for a great many of those poor people who are caught up in that cult; among those who have no hope in this life or for heaven, unless they strap on a bomb and go to some public place and blow themselves up along with a bunch of innocent people with them.

If you ever want evidence that there is a Devil, called Satan, well then just look at what this so called “religion of peace” teaches, even their youngest children.

On that note I have to say that even though Islamic children are being raised outside of any kind of covenant with the one true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; based on the premise, which I believe to be true, that ALL children are born into this world innocent before God, until the age of accountability, which I believe happens somewhere around age 13, when boys and girls in the Jewish faith go through either Bar Mitzvah (for the boys) or Bat Mitzvah ceremonies (for the girls), and are thereafter considered adults; based on that premise, listen to what Jesus had to say on this subject, and I certainly believe that would also apply to these little ones as well:

Whosoever shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!

If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.”(Matthew 18:6-10)

However I have said this before and I think it still bears repeating, that I am sure that for many Muslims in America, Islam is nothing more than a cultural thing, that they have been raised in; and as is the case with many nominal Christians, when it comes to the Bible, I believe there are Muslims who have no idea what the Koran says, because they don’t read it.

But with that said, the culture within Islam is such that you cannot question its beliefs, and certainly you can never renounce Islam or Allah without suffering serious repercussions and consequences; including being disowned by your family, or even being killed by them.

In either case, that certainly doesn’t sound like a religion of peace to me, where critical thinking and dissent are not even tolerated.

Also you will note that the ONLY countries in the world where people have the freedom to worship and believe as they please, without any kind of government interference, are in Christian Nations, that have been founded upon the Bible.

You won’t find that sort of freedom in any of the secular societies, and that includes all of your Communist dictatorships; and nor do you find that sort of freedom in any of your countries that are sectarian dominated, such as in Iran, or Saudi Arabia, where no other beliefs are even tolerated, except for Islam.

Whereas it has been pointed out, and correctly so, that not all Muslims are terrorists; but certainly ALL terrorists, for the most part today (about 99%) tend to be Muslim.

Of those Muslims who are considered to be moderates, their voices are certainly silent when it comes to any sort of dissenting opinions that disagree with the radial rhetoric from the so called minority leadership of the radical Islamic Jihad movement, and why is that?

Where do their true loyalties lie?

For some of these moderate or nominal Muslims, I am sure the case is not that different from what we see in history that happened when Martin Luther, who began the Protestant Reformation, at a time when the Bible was not made available in the language of the people, to be studied; when he nailed his thesis to the church door; where he was calling the church and the people to return back to the true faith of the Bible.

The main point of his thesis was how scripture showed that salvation comes strictly by faith in the propitious work of Christ on the Cross, as our Passover Lamb, and not by works; as was being taught in the church, and as was the popular belief of the people of that day.

So in essence that which was the prevailing and popular belief of that day, regarding the Christian faith, to the extent those popular beliefs were not reflected in the Bible, they were in fact incorrect and in error; as the Bible is our only source for what we believe, in all things having to do with Church doctrine and Christian orthodoxy.

In the same way, the true teachings of Mohammad, and the nature of what Islam teaches, can be found in the Koran; and when you read it, you find that it mirrors exactly the message of what the Islamic extremists of today are saying, who are calling for jihad; in that the Koran itself calls for death to the infidels and unbelievers of the world.

Those verses that are often mentioned that speak of peace and tolerance where written at a time when Islam was just beginning; but when it became a force to be reckoned with, those earlier verses were discarded, and were replaced by those later verses that were totally intolerant of any dissenting beliefs or views.

Not only that, but you have but to look to most any Islamic country in the world today, and with very few exceptions, you will see nothing but a gross disregard for human rights, and the absolute subjugation and abuse of women; not to mention the so called “honor killings,” were fathers and family members will kill their own children and relatives, all in the name of Islam.

This is found in every place where a strict adherence to Sharia Law is practiced, and in all of these countries there is an absolute NO tolerance policy for any other religions or beliefs outside of their own… and there are no exceptions!!!

With all this evidence and history how foolish is it for our political leaders, at a time when we are at war no less with these people, in the interest of being “Politically Correct,” for them to blatantly ignore all the evidence, ignore all the facts, and are telling us this lie about how Islam is peaceful… I don’t think so!

We can only hope and pray that what has already begun in Europe and is pretty far along over there, where the population growth of the Muslims far exceeds that of the native population, and eventually demands are made, as they become a political force to be reckoned with, in order to force their evil beliefs on their host country… Let us hope and pray that same thing won’t happen here in America!

So tonight as we hit the floor on our knees, let us all pray for the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to have mercy on us, and save our beloved country… America!

Shalom,

Skip Barland


Can Muslims be Good Americans? No. No. No.

By Bernie on 04 May 2006

I got this email today, although I have seen it posted in a number of places. I often say that all of Islam is a threat to modern civilization.

This however, does not mean all Muslims are out to kill me. I am sure many Muslims are just stuck being Muslims, and if their religion permitted it, they certainly would not be Muslims.

But let’s read the email called:

Can a Muslim be A good American?

  • Theologically – no. . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia .
  • Religiously – no. . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah Except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)
  • Scripturally – no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of
    Islam and the Quran.
  • Geographically – no … Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
  • Socially – no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make Friends with Christians or Jews.
  • Politically – no. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual
    Leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, The great Satan.
  • Domestically – no… Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34)
  • Intellectually – no… because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
  • Philosophically – no… because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot Co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
  • Spiritually – no… because when we declare ‘one nation under God, the Christian’s God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to As Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran’s 99 Excellent names.

Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic. Therefore after much study and deliberation perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both good Muslims and good Americans.

Call it what you wish…it’s still the truth. If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country. Pass it on. The war is bigger than we know.

Before we examine this in detail we can read the following rebuttal from a good merican.blogspot, which seems to be a blog created solely to address this particular email:

Saturday, March 11, 2006
A response to “Can Muslims be Good Americans?”

Can a devout Catholic be an American patriot and a loyal citizen? Consider this:

Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to the Pope, the ruler of a foreign city-state.

Historically, no. Throughout history, nations ruled by the Catholic Church have been amongst the most repressive, oppressive, and war-mongering on record. Exhibiting a distinct lack of compassion and disdain for freedom of religion, their historical record is the antithesis of what our Nation stands for.

You can read the rest at the blog above, I’m stopping here because even the author admits after a long litany of evils that:

Of course, the above is RIDICULOUS. It is just as ridiculous as the initial forward about Muslims was.

I could create equally ludicrous lists ‘proving’ that Jews, African-Americans, Italians, Germans, American Indians, and even Women are incapable of being ‘good Americans’.

We cannot let Theological hubris distort our view of our fellow Americans. The more who pull their heads out of their myopic and bigoted rears, the better it will be for our country.

Catholics certainly don’t listen to the Pope above country, indeed all Christians are taught to ‘Render onto Caesar what is Caesar’s, which, let me translate for Muslims who do not understand the concept, that you follow the laws of your host country.

For Muslims, on the other hand, god’s laws must be the laws of the country.

Most of the items this blogger lists are ancient complaints. Yes, there was an inquisition a long time ago and the Church engaged in many barbaric acts. But that was a long time ago. The problem with Islam is that our complaints are in regard to today, to current not ancient barbarities.

And Yes, a small group of Catholics engaged in terrorism in the last century where a few thousand people died. But that was a minor blip in history and certainly not supported by the Catholic Church.

One cannot compare it to the brutal and savage torture, rape, and murder of hundreds of thousands (I’m low-balling here) that are encouraged and sanctioned by Sharia Law now, today, in the modern era.

One can take all the atrocities by Christians in the past 50 years and fit them on one page.

If you’d like to see what 30 days worth of Islamic attacks looks like go here [if you have dial-up don’t bother – it will take more than 2 hours to load.]

If you think that we are not at War with Islam, but merely with a small, radical element of the Muslim faith then perhaps a visit to The Religion of Peace will disabuse you of that notion.

As for the original email, there is one small point that is inaccurate:

Allah is NEVER referred to as our heavenly father, nor is he ever called Love in the Quran’s 99 excellent names.

Actually number 47 of the 99 names he is called Al-Wadud – The Loving One, see sufism.org.

Other than this single, irrelevant, factual error, I agree that a devout Muslim cannot be an American patriot and a loyal citizen.

Indeed, when an American, who was born here, converts to Islam, he becomes a threat to this country; see Black Muslims a greater threat than Al-qaeda. See also American Jihad.

I could list tens of thousands of citations with warnings of the threat of modern Islam. But so what?

Either you’ve read them already or you’ve closed your eyes to it, afraid to contemplate the truth, even delude yourself into believing that this is just blatant Islamophobia.

One is told that a good Christian or Jew should be tolerant, should not listen to what has to be racist propaganda. Oh please let it be propaganda, please let it be untrue.

Hiding one’s head in the Arabian sand can kill you.

By the way, it’s not only in America that one questions the loyalty of Muslims, other nations throughout the world are finding out that Muslims cannot be good citizens of their own countries.

Last March three conscripts of the Austrian army refused to salute the Austrian flag because they said this was incompatible with their Islamic religion.

It is said that one of the reasons why the French authorities did not employ the army during the November 2005 riots, despite calls to do so, was because 15% of the French armed forces are made up of Muslims.

Last month a Swiss website reported that some are concerned about the rising number of Muslim soldiers in the Swiss army. The number of Muslim citizens in Switzerland has grown from 16,000 to 310,000 during the past four decades.

Thanks to Dutch Worry About Radical Muslims in the Military for some of the info quoted above.

In fact, except for harmless Mexicans who eventually accept American Culture and our way of life, Muslims are the fastest growing immigrant population all over the world, see How many Muslim buggers are there?.

Instead of immigration one should be speaking of infiltration.

Sure there will be those who say they have Muslim friends and that they seem nice, friendly, – read my post on dogs – they seem nice, friendly, too – but there are over 4.5 million dog bites a year – usually by the family dog – by the “family” member you most trusted.

This is because it is in the dog’s nature to attack – and it is the one that appears friendly that is the most dangerous.

That old saying barking dogs don’t bite is true. It is your friendly Muslim without his teeth bared – that is most dangerous.

The Dutch are now trying an in-your-face technique to stop Muslims from coming into Holland.

Basically, if you can’t stand the culture, don’t come in and try to change it.

There will be some who will blame a few ignorant, poor, disenfranchised and unemployed youth for Islamic terror throughout the world.

Citizens of the UK were surprised to learn that the 7/7 Terrorists that blew up buses and tubes were British born and bred Muslims that were not desperate or without hope.

They were middle class, employed, respectable Muslims with everything the West could offer them who took it upon themselves to murder hundreds of innocent people.

They could have expressed their views without doing what they did. But that is not in their nature.

How else can one explain the actions of dogs who were brought up in a free society?

Surveys among Muslims after the attacks showed less than 25% condemned the attacks.

You would think that discretion alone would demand that 100% of Muslims condemn the attacks and keep their real opinions secret.

I recall on 9/11 that most of the world sent us their condolences; and even citizens of nations that previously were not great supporters of America at least on that day, announced that they too were New Yorkers. Even the hated French said, Today we are all Americans.

And when I read sentiments like that, I have to tell you, on that day, I found it impossible to keep a dry eye. And what did we hear or see from 5 million American Muslims?

Did they clog the streets as the Hispanics did just recently over jobs and citizenship?

Did they display to the world in massive revolt their horror at the Islamic Terror that day or what THEY thought of this barbarous act?

Did any Islamic nation say Today we are all Americans?

Or did we see dancing in the streets?

I can only conclude that for a devout Muslim to be a good citizen of any country he or she has to renounce their religion. It’s a sad and terrible thing to say. It leaves a racist tang on the tongue. But it’s the truth and so as revolting and reprehensible as it is to say, it must be said.

http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/05/can_muslims_be_good.html

Author: SPARKS FROM THE ANVIL OF LIFE

This is an open forum where we look into and investigate the Rhema Mysteries of God's Word; and also other issues of importance for our day and time.

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